[Cuis] Why not just kill changesets?

H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel at gmail.com
Thu Jan 3 08:34:31 CST 2013


Dear all

After having read this discussion I think I like it best the way it is
with 4.1 at the moment.

--Hannes

On 1/3/13, Juan Vuletich <juan at jvuletich.org> wrote:
> Hi Ken,
>
> (inline)
>
> Ken Dickey wrote:
>> My take on the core is that it should be like the VM, a set of coherent
>> services which everyone can count on.  A baseline and interface.
>>
>> My experience with Tektronix's Smalltalk is to observe that many people
>> made changes to the core with the result that any attempt to merge results
>> together broke things.
>>
>> So to extend the stump metaphor, people made limbs that required a
>> stronger heart, lungs, and so forth but when others wanted to use a new
>> limb other limbs did not match up with changed arteries.
>>
>
> Yes. The same happens today. The best we can do is to integrate as early
> as possible. That's why the trunk was so good for Squeak. In Cuis, we
> also want to integrate contributions early, and discuss enough about
> changes that could affect compatibility with other ongoing efforts.
>
> It might happen that some people want to do changes that are
> irreconcilable with what others are doing. That's the main reason for
> forks. Like Tweak, Cuis and Pharo.
>
>> Wow, that was an incredibly bad attempt at an explanation.  8^(
>>
>> What I should say is that having a single coherent baseline is incredibly
>> important for rapid progress.  I don't mind that the baseline itself
>> changes and evolves, but the evolution must had a common, single thread.
>>
>
> Agreed.
>
>> I also like building the core from source, rather than just evolving
>> images, but I want to assume and start from the core and not have to
>> assemble it each time.
>>
>
> Me too.
>
>> As you can see, I have not yet had my coffee today.
>>
>> Apologies for the poor communication attempt.
>>
>> -KenD
>>
>>
>
> :) I think you made your point.
>
> Cheers,
> Juan Vuletich
>
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