<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><div class="force_dir"><font><font lang="es">Yo debo aprender a construir la VM. </font></font><font><font lang="es">Nunca he hecho, en parte porque la documentación parece obsoleta, y en parte porque soy vago.</font></font></div><div class="force_dir"><font><font lang="es"><br></font></font></div><div class="force_dir"><font><font lang="es">I don't know how to say this in Spanish: (help?) I worry about losing compatibility with VMMaker, so I'd love to see folks making VMs with Cuis on a regular basis. </font></font></div><div class="force_dir"><font><font lang="es"><br></font></font></div><div class="force_dir"><font lang="es">Tal vez le daré un tiro y documento el proceso.</font></div><br><div class="force_dir"><font lang="es">Si terminas rodando un cierre habilitado VM para WinCE, por favor comparta sus resultados con la lista de VM-dev, como pueden haber otras personas que se beneficiarían de sus resultados.</font></div><br><div class="force_dir"><font lang="es">--Casey</font></div><br><div class="force_dir"><font lang="es">P.S.</font></div><br><div class="force_dir"><font lang="es">Por favor perdona a mi español, como soy un donut de jalea.</font></div><br>On Aug 15, 2012, at 7:44 AM, Jerry Bell <<a href="mailto:jdbellomm@gmail.com">jdbellomm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Thank you Juan!</span><br><span></span><br><span>Yes, I've been pretty quiet. All my free time has been taken up with</span><br><span>the new baby!</span><br><span></span><br><span>The mention of Windows CE caught my eye. We have some Windows Mobile</span><br><span>5 and 6 ruggedized PDA devices here that I would like to run Smalltalk</span><br><span>on. I've read a little about the old WinCE VM and I believe that it</span><br><span>would be possible to build a much better VM for the Windows CE 5.0</span><br><span>based devices. Mainly, the memory model has changed so it should be</span><br><span>easier to access much larger chunks of memory than before. Please see</span><br><span>the following link:</span><br><span></span><br><span><a href="http://denniskrabbe.wordpress.com/2009/10/09/windows-mobile-heaps-from-the-large-memory-area/">http://denniskrabbe.wordpress.com/2009/10/09/windows-mobile-heaps-from-the-large-memory-area/</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>I haven't decided to pursue this yet for a couple of reasons. First,</span><br><span>it would involve VM level work which I'm not very comfortable with.</span><br><span>That's not a big deal, as I believe it would be a fun project and I'm</span><br><span>sure I would learn a lot. Second, and more worrisome, Windows Mobile</span><br><span>5 and 6 seem to be a dead-end platform. The new Windows Phone stuff</span><br><span>is completey different. I'm not sure I want to invest a lot of time</span><br><span>and effort into a dead-end platform.</span><br><span></span><br><span>On the other hand, as far as I can tell, these ruggedized "enterprise</span><br><span>digital assistant" devices (like the Symbol / Motorola MC75) will be</span><br><span>using Windows Mobile for the forseeable future, so it might be worth</span><br><span>the effort. For me, a lot will depend on whether the company I work</span><br><span>for decides to continue using the ruggedized handheld devices, or</span><br><span>switches to iPad or Android tablets with waterproof cases.</span><br><span></span><br><span>In the meantime, I'm interested to hear from anyone who is working on</span><br><span>the WinCE VM!</span><br><span></span><br><span>Jerry</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Juan Vuletich <<a href="mailto:juan@jvuletich.org">juan@jvuletich.org</a>> wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hi Jerry!</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I hope you're doing well. Haven't had news from you for some time...</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>My apologies. I answered Juan's message without realizing that it was in</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>foreign language for this list... Thanks!</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Juan Diaz said:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>People of Cuis, I need to run a Smalltalk on a PDA with WinCE 5.0. Someone</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>told me Cuis could run on PDA. Any idea is welcome.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>And I answered:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>You need a VM for your platform. Some time ago I used one from</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.is.titech.ac.jp/~ohshima/squeak/WinCE/">http://www.is.titech.ac.jp/~ohshima/squeak/WinCE/</a> , the non GAPI one. These</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>VMs are old, and they don't support closures. Therefore they can run Cuis</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>1.0, but not newer versions. You can also compile your own VM.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cheers,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Juan Vuletich</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Jerry Bell wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Juan(s),</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Do you mind translating for me?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Thank you!</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Jerry</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Aug 14, 2012, at 6:15 PM, Juan Vuletich <<a href="mailto:juan@jvuletich.org">juan@jvuletich.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hola Juan,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Necesitas una VM para tu plataforma. Yo usé hace tiempo una de</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.is.titech.ac.jp/~ohshima/squeak/WinCE/">http://www.is.titech.ac.jp/~ohshima/squeak/WinCE/</a> , la no GAPI. Estas VMs</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>son viejas, y no soportan closures. Así que pueden correr Cuis 1.0, pero no</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>versiones más nuevas.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Por supuesto, también podés compilar tu propia VM.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Saludos,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Juan Vuletich</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Juan wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Juan</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Gente de Cuis, necesito hacer correr un smalltalk en una pda con wince</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>vers 5.0</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>desearia podes usar smallltalk, me comentaron que Cuis corría o corre en</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>pda.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cualquier idea sera agradecida</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>saludos Juan Marcelo Diaz Corte</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>------------------------------------------------------------------------</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cuis mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:Cuis@jvuletich.org">Cuis@jvuletich.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org">http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org</a></span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>Cuis mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:Cuis@jvuletich.org">Cuis@jvuletich.org</a></span><br><span><a href="http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org">http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>