[Cuis] Compose a Cuis distribution from *.pck files? (was Re: [Fwd: Re: [squeak-dev] Squeaksource, Squeak and Pharo..])

[H. Hirzel]

And I think it is useful to have a look at the directory structure of
   https://github.com/bonzini/smalltalk (GNU Smalltalk)

--Hannes



On 12/30/12, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you Juan for the answer. I have to think about it. In the
> meantime I want to learn more how to use github, in particular how to
> use branches. It might be that a central 'packages' directory in
> https://github.com/jvuletich/Cuis together with individual forks and
> branches could do the job....
>
> And thank you for making 'Cuis' a 'Smalltalk' project on github. It show up
> as
> 'most starred this month' on https://github.com/languages/Smalltalk
>
> And on the Squeak side some efforts have (re-)started to create a
> minimal Squeak (Pavel, Colin & Edgar) from which packages may be
> loaded. We'll see how it goes.  Maybe some synergy is possible.
>
> --Hannes
>
>
> On 12/30/12, Juan Vuletich <juan at jvuletich.org> wrote:
>> Hi Hannes,
>>
>> (inline)
>>
>> H. Hirzel wrote:
>>> Juan
>>>
>>> what you note below is a very promising perspective.
>>> Thank you very much indeed for the 4.1 release. It is very neat.
>>>
>>> I like 4.1 very much.
>>>
>>> --Hannes
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Thanks, Hannes. I'm glad you like it.
>>
>>> See other notes below....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> I believe that the option that allows for a minimal image that can grow
>>>> is something close to the package support in Cuis, that is extremely
>>>> compact, doesn't require Monticello and relies on Github (or similar)
>>>> for version control. I like the idea of building each distribution from
>>>> a single point. That single point could be not far from current Cuis. I
>>>> believe that Cuis, removing Morphic, programming tools, and any other
>>>> non-kernel image or Cuis specific stuff, could become that single
>>>> point.
>>>>
>>>> If the people behind other Squeak distributions and Squeak derived
>>>> projects want to go ahead with this, I volunteer for building that
>>>> starting point by removing from Cuis any stuff that anybody doesn't
>>>> want
>>>> in there.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, parts of Cuis in
>>> https://github.com/jvuletich/Cuis
>>>
>>> could be put into a packages (pck) directory and be loaded in with a
>>> load script.
>>> This would ease cooperative development of the parts in github
>>> (forking).
>>>
>>> A first candidate could be to offload a major part of Morphic so that
>>> only a minimal GUI like the one attached remains.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, this would be nice. It is not currently my highest priority,
>> although that would change if Squeak or some Squeak fork(s) adopted the
>> idea. I that case, supporting such project would be top priority,
>> because of the community impact.
>>
>> If it is just for Cuis, it is of course nice, but the benefits would be
>> limited to Cuis and its users. Unless someone else wants to work on
>> this. I'd fully support such initiative.
>>
>>> One Workspace (REPL equivalent) and the Transcript. (No movable
>>> windows, just the screen split into two parts with the left part being
>>> editable).
>>>
>>> >From there with an Installer script Morphic and other subsystem may be
>>> loaded.
>>>
>>
>> Yes. This is a great idea. And it is not really hard to do. Transcript
>> is already read-only and independent of Morphic. And for the REPL we
>> have Transcripter (a.k.a. Emergency Evaluator. See #emergencyEvaluator).
>> In any case, living in such a restricted world, we'd really miss the
>> Browser and Debugger!
>>
>>> BTW
>>>
>>> https://github.com/search?q=cuis&p=1&ref=searchbar&type=Repositories&l=
>>>
>>> gives as the second entry the
>>>   https://github.com/jvuletich/Cuis
>>> project
>>>
>>> but marked as a C# project. I assume it is because of the *.cs
>>> extensions in the CuisUpdates subdirectory.
>>>
>>> Having *.cs.st as equally valuable file extension for *.cs could solve
>>> the problem.
>>> I assume there are other solutions for this as well.
>>>
>>> The goal is that Cuis shows up on the
>>>     https://github.com/languages/Smalltalk
>>> dash board to enhance the visibility.
>>>
>>
>> Agreed. I'd really like to be able to tell GitHub this is smalltalk,
>> without changing the file extensions (asked for help on another thread).
>> But we can do it if there's no alternative.
>>
>>> However before Morphic other packages (like Sound) are probably easier
>>> to unload as *.pck files.
>>>
>>> A subdirectory build or 'configurations' would be needed as well where
>>> people can put there scripts which build various Cuis distributions.
>>> (e.g. for example one which has Regex, PetitParser and XML tools
>>> preloaded)
>>>
>>
>> This would be nice. But for this to work smoothly, I think we'd adopt
>> Angel's idea of having the packages in the same repo as Cuis, so, if you
>> just download some (tagged) commit from there, you already have package
>> versions that are compatible with the Cuis version. Right?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Juan Vuletich
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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