[Cuis] ColorEditor updated
Dan Norton
dnorton at mindspring.com
Mon Nov 2 14:58:26 CST 2015
Hi Ken,
Comments in line.
On 1 Nov 2015 at 20:52, KenD wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 22:01:06 -0400
> "Dan Norton" <dnorton at mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > On 29 Oct 2015 at 16:56, KenD wrote:
> ..
> > > Dan, note that the Morphic-ColorEditor uses #when:send:to: for
> > > updates. You can file it in and check senders.
> ..
> > I've done that and I see that messages to SystemChangeNotifier are
> not required in order to use the method.
> >
> > Also, the dependency mechanism itself uses #when:send:to:.
> >
> > Any object can use #when:send:to: because it is an Object
> instance method.
> >
> > So, should this be named a different mechanism or is it just a
> different use of the
> > dependency mechanism?
> >
> > If it's a different mechanism, is "Signals" the right name? This
> by Marcel Taeumel:
> >
> >
> https://www.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/hirschfeld/trac/SqueakCommunityProjec
> ts/wiki/signals#Featu
> > reComparison
>
> Hi Dan.
>
> I took a look at the Signals implementation some time ago and my
> recollection is that I found the implementation to be complex and
> less useful than I had hoped.
>
> For my limited uses, I prefer #when:send:to:
>
> Simplicity wins.
+1
In the longer term I hope somebody gets a chance
> to rewrite the older #changed: code to use the #when:send:to:
> mechanism so that we can remove #changed: .
>
> I agree that having two update mechanisms is one too many. Adding a
> third dependency update, Signals, would be going in the wrong
> direction IMHO.
>
That's fine. I was casting about for some name besides " #when:send:to: mechanism" for
use in a brief essay on PluggableListMorph Principles of Operation when I came across
Signals. I already wrote a paragraph on Dependency Mechanism.
So, the simple principle here is to just use #when:send:to: and forget about or maybe
deprecate #changed: and #update:? The advantage IIUC is #when:send:to:
can be sent by any object,
the receiver can be any object,
the to: parameter can be any object, and
the send: parameter doesn't necessarily have to exist because WeakMessageSend
is used!
What a deal :).
However, I see a problem common to dependency and #when:send:to: which is the
identification and explanation of the various symbols which are communicated as the
parameters for send: or changed: . When you're trying to design a model or view similar to
something already in existence, the tools are not much help with that.
I'm thinking maybe: document in comments? <rant>Nah. We don't do comments.</rant>
Would appreciate any thoughts.
- Dan
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